tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6180226403686462298.post278756076602906000..comments2024-03-01T01:18:46.480-06:00Comments on Political Heat: Who won the VP debate? It depends on when you ask the questionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6180226403686462298.post-36131434963143312982016-10-06T10:20:37.961-05:002016-10-06T10:20:37.961-05:00Sophie, I don't disagree with everything you w...Sophie, I don't disagree with everything you wrote. Factually speaking, Pence is a liar who just presents himself better than Trump; Kaine had the facts on his side. <br /><br />But when talking about who "won" we have to consider the people the candidates are trying to win over -- undecided, low information voters. <br /><br />It's unfortunate, but sometimes presentation plays into that. I felt like Pence presented his B.S. better than Kaine presented the facts. But as I point out, we live in a day of post-debate fact-checking, and many of those undecideds likely watched clips of the debate after it happened -- clips like those linked to above.<br /><br />In that sense, Pence "won" the debate (but still isn't right about several issues) *in the moment*. In the days ahead, Kaine is going to appear the winner because, as you pointed out, he's got the facts on his side. <br /><br />As for my progressive bona fides, I can assure you I have them. I went door-to-door for Barack Obama and Assembly Democrats in 2008. I did the same thing in 2011 to try to recall a Republican state senator in Western Wisconsin. I collected signatures for the Scott Walker recall. I've sang with the Solidarity Singers. Heck, I even walked out of my high school classroom in 2003 to protest the Iraq War. <br /><br />As a progressive I do my damndest to make the case for progressive ideas, such as universal health care, education based on merit rather than your parents' bank accounts, fairer tax codes, equality for all, and so on. But I'm allowed to look objectively at issues too, and to presume how others view cultural events outside of my point of view. Empathy is a huge part of progressivism, after all, and it's important to view events from the lens of someone's else's political perspectives. <br /><br />That's what I'm doing above. I'm not trying to promote Mike Pence, but rather see how other people may have viewed his debate performance.<br /><br />If you can't differentiate between those ideas, then I'm afraid you have more to work on than I. I appreciate your comment, and hope that you do continue to read the blog.Chris Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09820378069472929510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6180226403686462298.post-33190208851395754472016-10-06T00:17:32.420-05:002016-10-06T00:17:32.420-05:00After reading this pathetic drivel, I'm unsubs...After reading this pathetic drivel, I'm unsubscribing. Kaine was the clear winner of the VP debate, as he would not tolerate Pence's constant lying. If you are some sort of progressive, it is not evident. Decide what political persuasion you really are, before posting equivocating idiocy. Pence is an extremist-a right-wing Christopath who would take this country back to the 1800's if he could-particularly concerning the status of women. But you forgot that part. of course. Sophienoreply@blogger.com